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Post by mskied on Dec 2, 2022 2:29:41 GMT -6
I submit to the Law of Thelema. It is the truth of life that we begin with our Will, and do what we think is best. It is also true that Love is the uniting factor in life, and that we are all divided, but with Love, we come together and there is peace. I think that if we do not approach life with love and kindness, people become callous and cruel, or angry; for we expect respect and love, because that is what raised most of us. Love is the Law. Do What Thou Wilt is the first rule of philosophy, and Love is the Law is the last. Between Will and Love, there is action, and if we are in line with the rules of these, we will avoid much error. Thelema is the open air of truth in a world of restrained and often overlooked ideals that we often fail. I do love Christianity for its hope of their ideals being held, but life is not an ideal, life is Chaos, and things happen, emotions happen, complexities arise. We arent always strong enough to live by their ideals, and that is why it is an untrue faith. Do What Thou Wilt is more honest in light of life, and I submit!
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Dec 2, 2022 16:32:27 GMT -6
Post by Belteshazzar on Dec 2, 2022 16:32:27 GMT -6
I think Thelema gives truth within a certain context.
"Do What Thou Wilt" - to me, this means, as Latter-Day Saints put it, we have "free agency," or the ability to choose for ourselves, and that God will not (perhaps cannot) take that away.
Love, of course, is also the supreme force in the universe.
But "Do What Thou Wilt" says nothing about salvation, damnation, or eternal progression, really.
It doesn't say anything about divine justice and mercy, about the Ruler/Creator of our world, who we are to him/her, and what our ultimate destinies are and how we can achieve them.
In my view, as a latter-day saint, the restored gospel of Jesus Christ talks about that. Whereas the truths given in Thelema are more baseline.
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Post by mskied on Dec 3, 2022 8:01:49 GMT -6
Thelema actually does have ideas about eternal progression in its texts. Not much on damnation, but the salvation offered is to be free from restrictions and tyranny.
It doesnt say anything about Divine justice, but it does talk about human justice, and that we get the consequences of our deeds. The theory of Thelema is that if you educate yourself and dedicate yourself to the Order, that you join a reincarnating race of people with like ideas.
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Dec 4, 2022 11:06:39 GMT -6
Post by Belteshazzar on Dec 4, 2022 11:06:39 GMT -6
That would be interesting to look into.
I certainly think reincarnation is possible, because I think God can do what he wants - but as a religious person, I believe that resurrection is "the Plan." However, I'm open to the possibility of anomalies or exceptions happening, because, again - God can do what he wants.
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Post by mskied on Dec 5, 2022 6:31:17 GMT -6
Thats a healthy attitude towards God. A lot of religious people see the bible as being THE WORD OF GOD and that it cant be contradicted or have any false information. In my life Ive seen God can do what God wants to do.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2022 8:37:43 GMT -6
The duel between what is GOD and god seems like the one between HISTORY and history. It's really interesting to see around us what is known as truth and what is the real story. We are seeing it around us all the time. Even against us. What if GOD's reality is not what it seems?
Out of the blue you may see. Il was what life and words here in the Shadowland's board inspired me.
Have a good day guys!
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Post by mskied on Dec 7, 2022 8:04:53 GMT -6
God is actually a mystery. Since God is silent, and invisible- we dont know what God is up to or wants. Sure there are people that say they know, but if god isnt telling you personally, how can you be sure? I had a vision from God, where God told me "I am all that is" that either means God is the only thing, or God is everything. Ive decided it means God is everything, and therefore we are all God, and God is all the good and bad. So what does God want? I still believe in the Good needing to prevail in life, but I dont think it matters to God. I think we get what we earn on an individual, and global level. God has also struck me ill, and tortured me, and I dont know why. So in my eyes, God is dangerous to tangle with. Still, I believe in Love and hope that God does too, though as I said, God is both the Good and the Evil.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2022 7:16:13 GMT -6
As always, I believe we receive what we need to evolve. Yet, we have to consent. If not, we'll receive it stronger, and stronger till we abandon ourselves with the flow.
I thought to change my username for Intimacy because it was what I desired to find, then, as relationships here since I didn't have it around me in my life. A kind of relationships where we are honest, true yet secure with those around us. It was as if my native language wasn't spoken around me and I found it writing on those boards. I was reading the sculpture of my innerworld. A tarot's deck. But, intimacy is generally not public.
Fighting constantly, kicking and receiving is exhausting. It had the benefice to be true. But it was far from the kind of relationships I sought. So eventually, even if it was dreadful in pain, it contributed to make me moving in my outside's world. I cleaned up my relationships and destroyed the symbolic power granted to my family. I no longer accept the flagrant lack of love, rejection, lack of respect. I choose the people around me. I found a balance. To evolve we must agree to do the work. In this case, I would agree with you, Evil and God danced together.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2022 6:25:22 GMT -6
I submit to the Law of Thelema. It is the truth of life that we begin with our Will, and do what we think is best. It is also true that Love is the uniting factor in life, and that we are all divided, but with Love, we come together and there is peace. I think that if we do not approach life with love and kindness, people become callous and cruel, or angry; for we expect respect and love, because that is what raised most of us. Love is the Law. Do What Thou Wilt is the first rule of philosophy, and Love is the Law is the last. Between Will and Love, there is action, and if we are in line with the rules of these, we will avoid much error. Thelema is the open air of truth in a world of restrained and often overlooked ideals that we often fail. I do love Christianity for its hope of their ideals being held, but life is not an ideal, life is Chaos, and things happen, emotions happen, complexities arise. We arent always strong enough to live by their ideals, and that is why it is an untrue faith. Do What Thou Wilt is more honest in light of life, and I submit! Your words made their route till my mind. It seems like words. How do you relate them with what you call Chaos? How do you relate them with the people around you? With wars? With guns? With illness? Unless you're a monk, you have to deal with all that is wrong or that you feel wrong around you. How do you do? How do you do practically? What you think is best will hurt inevitably someone, how do you deal with hurting others?
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Dec 25, 2022 9:56:06 GMT -6
Post by mskied on Dec 25, 2022 9:56:06 GMT -6
You wont always hurt someone with your actions, but sometimes.
A good rule of thumb is to understand good and evil: Evil is to harm someone elses health, wealth, or liberty. Good is to aid them. Follow that with discretion and you should be okay.
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Dec 28, 2022 18:07:23 GMT -6
Post by mskied on Dec 28, 2022 18:07:23 GMT -6
Why am I a Thelemite? Because I believe in Free Will, and I believe that all things have part to play in the drama of this devouring Universe.
God is all of us, and therefor God is both Good, and Evil.
I believe that Christianity is the greatest Good of Wisdom, but we are all human and often there have been failures to represent it. Should you be truly Christian, you would be considered wise and Good.
Thelema honors all paths, and accepts that sometimes Evil is necessary, or accidentally indulged in, and I believe this is the Law of our reality, and I think Christ saw that too, which is why He preached forgiveness.
Ultimately this world is chaotic, for how could it not be? There are so many beliefs, and we are not all on the same footing.
I mourn for this place, for I once saw all of this as a thing of beauty, but now I see the suffering it causes us.
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Jan 4, 2023 12:47:09 GMT -6
Post by Odin on Jan 4, 2023 12:47:09 GMT -6
I actually just bought a big single volume collection of a bunch of works by Aleister Crowley. Includes Diary of a Drug Fiend, Moonchild, Book of Lies, other stuff.
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