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Post by Belteshazzar on Feb 18, 2019 17:38:03 GMT -6
A.I. is making leaps and bounds and people are talking about how they will basically take over and/or be a part of our every day lives.
This then begs the question - we can build machines that imitate human beings exactly, mimic emotions, make decisions, and with their computer brains, be vastly more efficient and smart.
But does that mean it would have a spirit or soul? Would we have successfully created another human being? Could we actually completely transfer our organic selves into a completely inorganic body, and still live?
For the first question, I lean towards "no" - I believe spirit is what gives life, and no matter how fantastic a machine may be, that doesn't mean it is human. Also, the scientific definition of "life" includes the ability to reproduce after its own kind, so an android also would not fit that definition.
As far as transferring ourselves into a totally inorganic body....I also lean towards "no"....I just don't see how it's possible. Maybe you could make a copy of yourself and that copy would exist but it would just be a copy. Not the real thing. Not you. Not your soul.
But I'm willing to listen to counter-arguments and be convinced otherwise.
And get ready for the sex bots. Giggidy.
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Post by mskied on Mar 6, 2019 8:44:33 GMT -6
Souls are simply 1. The amount of options to use to chose. i.e. sensual observations, choice in action from use of form, and the resulting consequences that we observe. It is this in combination with 2. Memory- we keep a documentation of these experiences and engage in them internally, forming new opinions about the future use of 1. The soul is that thing that has chosen and observed, and concluded and acts. Androids will have souls.
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Post by bsidesandrarities on Mar 7, 2019 21:12:04 GMT -6
I think a soul has an awareness of the energy of others. I do not see an android having the capability to feel energy.
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Post by Belteshazzar on Mar 9, 2019 10:25:26 GMT -6
Souls are simply 1. The amount of options to use to chose. i.e. sensual observations, choice in action from use of form, and the resulting consequences that we observe. It is this in combination with 2. Memory- we keep a documentation of these experiences and engage in them internally, forming new opinions about the future use of 1. The soul is that thing that has chosen and observed, and concluded and acts. Androids will have souls. Where you and I may differ is that I see a person's spirit as something divine and literally the offspring of a God and Goddess. And also, as a Latter-day Saint, I see it as "matter, only more refined." So, not something any mortal knows how to make an exact copy of. Or transfer it into. It's the very essence of who and what you actually are, plugged into our physical, bodily vehicles. So if you downloaded your memories, personality, etc., into a machine - okay, great, you made a copy of that. The machine will now act like you. But that doesn't mean you can download your soul and actually transfer yourself to it. If you can download your actual consciousness into a machine, then maybe the spirit would go with it, but I don't know how you'd do that. Nor does it mean that giving a machine complex autonomy, complete with personality and decision making capability, means that it is an actual living being. To me, it's just an interactive machine that does a great job impersonating real people. Which can of course be incredibly useful in many ways - but I don't think that just because it looks and acts like a human means that it should be considered a human. I kind of hate to say it, because it's fascinating to think that you could a.) download yourself into a machine completely and basically live forever or b.) create a living being out of a machine..... but this is what my critical analysis leads me to, based on my beliefs about what a spirit is. But if I were old and decrepit, I'd be down with transferring to a machine, sure. |
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Post by SaintBilly on Apr 30, 2019 14:07:57 GMT -6
You could become a Sci-fi drama movie
Machina Mormon Mystery
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Post by SaintBilly on Apr 30, 2019 21:41:43 GMT -6
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Post by ashima on May 8, 2019 14:37:10 GMT -6
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Post by blackswan on May 30, 2019 8:45:11 GMT -6
NEVER...souls are spiritual in nature and immaterial...you can't build a soul...
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Post by ashima on Jun 8, 2019 11:13:48 GMT -6
What if we were androids and our android souls were saved and put into human form for a test run? Of course as you see, the humans fuck up by destroying the planet.
Yay for copious amounts of garbage in the seas and land, forest demolitions, fracking, pollution, dope fiends and alcoholics, criminals, poisonous water etc etc etc.....
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Post by ashima on Oct 22, 2019 17:15:18 GMT -6
Mine just gave a notification about "you seem to go to bed at 9:25.... some other crap about saving notifications or whatever. That's just a bit weird and unnecessary
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Post by mskied on Dec 1, 2019 5:37:22 GMT -6
NEVER...souls are spiritual in nature and immaterial...you can't build a soul... Souls are indeed material, for the only immaterial thing is time and memory, and memory, though it can be stored, is not a sentient thing. Therefore the soul- which is the essence of a consciousness, is material, perhaps finite, and a combination of chemicals and sequences that create an entity. |
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Post by ashima on Dec 12, 2019 4:25:25 GMT -6
My phone has more soul than some people I know
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Post by ashima on Jan 14, 2020 5:22:20 GMT -6
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Post by mskied on Jan 14, 2020 9:46:30 GMT -6
Heres the thing. Throughout all of history, there has been something that united Mankind spiritually- sort of like the internet, in our bodies. We are already these androids to some creature out there. Ive speculated that human life has already evolved past the point we are at, and entered a machine, thousands and thousands of years ago, and restarted the human race because they ran out of ideas or materials. Whatever it is, and whomever, they know us, they watch us, they interact with us. Mankind is on the brink of creating our own version of this, and we might imagine that we are in charge, but whomever got there first will actually be in control of this, if they haven't been all along anyway. Religion and spirituality, and the history of mysticism reveals that this is true. The only real question is: Will we overtake the ones that came ahead of us? Will they submit to us? Or will they destroy this before it gets to that point? I don't see destruction as the answer, I imagine that if they are that far ahead, they can easily be watching what we are making, and take it over when they like, and destroy, if necessary, when they need. We will always be under them, I think. I don't see AI coming to the forefront to the point of overthrowing this design without their consent.
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Post by mskied on Jan 14, 2020 9:49:33 GMT -6
The point isn't to fear the actions of our created "artificial life". The point is to fear the things that existed prior to us that sees us as artificial life. How important could we really be to them?
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